After reading that google document, I only have a few points that I feel the need to share, and I will do so in a polite manner. I will write my thoughts here and not tweet about them again. Only through mentions. This is about Sungmin, so I’m going to ignore and not comment on any of the supposedly despicable things Saeun and her agency did to promote her. I will also ignore a few contradictions and conflicting points I noticed in the aforementioned file because it would take too long.
First and foremost, I must say that I care about Shindong as much as I care about the other members. I don’t care whether people believe it or not, because in my heart I know it’s true. The first time I saw him in real life at a Super Show, I was so excited I screamed “OPPA” at him when he stopped in front of me even if I’m his nuna. I feel really sorry for using his case to support mine, but I also care about Sungmin and Shindong is the only person who did something similar. I supported his relationship just as I’m doing with Sungmin’s, I wanted him to get married and to be happy, but I cannot help but wonder why Sungmin’s behaviour is different from Shindong’s.
• Why were fans okay with Shindong’s public dates with Nari, his tweets about her and his marriage proposal in the <Thanks To> area of the booklet, but Sungmin going public is not? Is it because Shindong is not popular? Or is it because Nari did not accept to marry him? The intention of getting married, of putting his personal life before his professional life, of thinking of himself instead of Super Junior or the fans was there.
• “[…] people call SJ ‘the first boy band with a married member’ or ‘a boy band whose career ended because of a member’s marriage.’” Do you believe this was not the case with Shindong? You can still find news articles about it that date back to 2010, articles with titles such as “신동유부남 아이돌? (Shindong, a married idol?)” and so on.
• Why does Sungmin have bad timing (this is the first album after Leeteuk’s and Heechul’s army service / many members will be enlisting soon / the 100th Super Show got positive reviews / the group does not have much of a bright future), while Shindong didn’t? Shindong dropped the bomb right during promotional activities for the first album after the HUGE Han Geng issue, the first full album where Kibum wasn’t even on the cover or in the booklet. These sound like double standards to me.
• “In case you don’t know, in Korea, secretly showing off one’s relationship during media appearance is considered as one of the most disrespectful behaviors that an idol star could show to his/her fans.” Back then Shindong’s marriage proposal in the <Thanks To> made the news, there were dozens and dozens of news articles talking about it, why was this okay? This is not a media appearance, but it’s still IN the media, it can still be seen as showing off. Secret code, or no secret code. Also, he did so in a place where idols usually thank family, friends and fans for the love and support they received.
Do you remember the members’ support/reactions? Here are two articles translated by sjworld members to remind you: http://icepluscoffee.wordpress.com/2010/05/15/news-leeteuk-heechul-on-shindongs-confession/
• Why do fans want Sungmin to keep a low profile about his relationship/marriage - since it could affect Super Junior’s reputation as idols in the eyes of the general public - but they also want him to openly admit that he’s dating months and months before the marriage date? Months before this made the news? Is this not contradicting two of your points, being: 1. […] disrespectful behaviors that an idol star could show to his/her fans; 2. kelf are asking Super Junior members to try their best to hide and not confirm their relationships.
• “[…] one evidence of how weak the Korean fandom has become. But the remaining fans did their best” Why do kelf believe that ielf do not care about Super Junior being THE top idol group when we also try our best to bulk buy or to buy on websites where sales count toward charts? Yes, I understand daily sales are something you can mostly contribute to, but if sales dropped you can only blame yourself because:
• “When a member puts his personal life ahead of his career like this and doesn’t appreciate fans’ efforts, what’s the purpose of doing this?” Sungmin is not the only member of Super Junior, if you care so much about the group - as you all claim - then you should do it for the other members because they have done nothing to hurt you.
• “Now even public knows about Saeun and Sungmin’s disrespect for fans, and they blame SJ, not just Sungmin.” And whose fault is that? If you had not revealed all the details out of spite, you wouldn’t have damaged Super Junior’s reputation. You say that Sungmin didn’t handle the situation well, but neither did you. You blew this out of proportion and made everything harder for everyone: for fans, for Sungmin, and for Super Junior. If you had not reacted like that, this could have gone much better.
• “It is heartbreaking to see #SungminOut, but also hurtful to see fans in other countries are bashing Korean fans.”
Many international fans were positively reacting to the marriage news and kelf did not appreciate this side of them, that’s when the bashing began. International ELF only responded to this. Also, kelf started pointing accusatory fingers at us, saying that we have no right to say anything because we are not kelf / useful to fandom. They asked for it.
• “Do you know what it is like to live as SJ fans in Korea? […] If you say you’re a SJ fan in Korea, people often give you a cold stare and there are just so many haters that you have to fight with.”
Do you know what is it like to like Korean music in Europe where people make fun of you, where you are ashamed of telling people that you listen to Korean music? And ever since “Gangnam Style” spread worldwide like a virus, it’s been even harder because Europeans believe that all Korean music is as ridiculous as that song (with all due respect to PSY, whose other songs I like). For years and years I fought with a person who is very dear and very close to me, but who kept saying cruel and offensive things about Korean music and my passion for it. I fought with my family to go to Korea. You have no idea of what I, as a European fan, went through. Not to mention how hard it is for an international fan, who lives far, far, far away from the people she loves, to know that kelf can see them any time they want, but do not fully appreciate it.
Sungmin is human and he makes mistakes. ELF are human and they make mistakes. Why not try to understand each other’s point of view in a civil manner instead of showing obvious double standards by singling Sungmin out and revealing details about his behaviour that ended up influencing Super Junior’s reputation in the eye of the general public because you have a little vendetta against him?
do not delete someone’s caption to a graphic they’ve made (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*: ･ﾟ✧
especially if it’s a credit link or a poem or lyrics or something that adds value and context to the graphic itself (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*: ･ﾟ✧
and especially don’t delete and then re-add a caption just so your url shows up as “credit” (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*: ･ﾟ✧
if you do that you are a sack of shit (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*: ･ﾟ✧
what if you censored out the word ‘swim’ every time it’s said in free!
im gonna do it
its only been 30 seconds fuck me
NO LITTLE SHOTA MAN DONT DO IT
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